During a House Judiciary hearing on Thursday, ATF Director Steven Dettelbach was not establish a specific threshold for when private individuals are deemed “engaged in the business” of selling weapons.
Rep. Matt Gaetz ( R- FL )  , referenced the ATF’s fresh universal background check principle during the hearing, therefore clearly asked Dettelbach,” But, how many firearms does someone have to offer to be’ engaged in the business’ of firearms dealing”?

Rep. Matt Gaetz ( R- FL ) on the steps of the Capitol in Washington on October 2, 2023. ( AP Photo/Mark Schiefelbein )
Dettelbach responded,” Congressman, as you know, that matter is being litigated in several courts. So sticking with what’s already in the public record, the rule itself is about 16 pages, skipping lines, and there is about…over 400 pages of explanation. So, there are factors that are conduct based, not numerical based but conduct based”.
He then continued, saying that the organization “received many comments” on the rule, suggesting some of them addressed issues where the threshold might be.
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Gaetz responded to Dettelbach’s avoidance of presenting an exact threshold by noting that the ambiguity is part of the reason , U. S. District Court Judge Matthew J. Kacsmaryk issued a May 19 temporary restraining order , ( TRO ) against enforcement of the ATF rule in the state of Texas. The TRO also prevents the enforcement of the rule against members of Gun Owners of America, the Gun Owners Foundation, the Tennessee Firearm Association, and the Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Gaetz criticized the ambiguity, arguing that it would have been more accurate to define the threshold than to place law-abiding people in a situation where they have” ATF] guys breaking their doors down and potentially killing them.”
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